I guess it had to come to an end at some point, but my previously mentioned quest for some good conversation over at the HVAC “America, Religion, Politics” area has terminated. One can only take so much being shot at and ridiculed. It’s a shame, because there are a couple really great people over there among the liars, name-callers and mean-spirited crypt-dwellers. As for the latter, their whole purpose was to shut me up so they could have their club to themselves and continue to bathe in their own propaganda, free from confrontation with the truth. So much for Freedom. So much for America. These are the same folk who call themselves “patriots” while shutting up anyone who doesn’t agree with them.
The suppositions and grand conclusions based on absolutely nothing were staggering. My initial home heating question asked over there was labelled a “front” for my posting on the political forum. I was called a liar when I posted anything clearly backed up with facts. In fact, the reaction to just about ANY post from the most obstinate of these folk was to just simply call me a LIAR and a CHEAT and a FRAUD. Rational conversation was not possible. I should have known better. There were several others who would post well thought-out posts regarding the nature of man, the perpetual state of fear the government wants to keep us in, and other interesting observations. The reaction to those posts? More ad-hominem attacks. It seems this is all this type of person has to offer. It’s really a shame, since it seems we as a nation are not going to move far in ANY direction if the reaction to any plea for civil discourse is to be yelled at, called names, and ridiculed. The agenda of the day is to spread Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. Anything else is labelled “propaganda,” which is funny, since they don’t have the ability to spot true propaganda when they actually see it.
What really put me over the edge though was a post about Mexicans, Blacks, and how “milk white Americans” need to “wake up” basically because we’re being taken over and soon they’ll be in your town! Wow!
It’s become clear to me that liberals in general are much more open to the fact that they may be wrong and are always looking for input from the other side and a discussion of real ideas and thoughts in order to get at the real truth, or the best way to solve a problem. They are always open in that previously held beliefs can be changed. On the other side, it seems that reason and openness are simply not the best way to attempt to get their point across. Their way is the sledgehammer — the O’Reillys, the Hannitys, the Limbaughs — my way is the right way, and yours is the wrong way, and I’m going to bully you, shut off your microphone, and yell at you until you see it my way.
Clinton was a perfect example of this. He would listen to everyone in the room to arrive at policy decisions or directions. After all, the more ideas the better, right? The folks on the bulletin board, however, and Neo-Cons in general, follow the doctrine of their leader, Bush, which is that you should go by gut feeling alone, and the only people who should be in the room talking things out should be people entirely loyal to you and your cause. No dissenters allowed. No fresh ideas allowed. How else did we end up recycling all the Reagan doctrines and philosophies, no matter how badly they failed and put the nation at enormous financial risk?
Time and again, this stubbornness in face of the truth and pure contempt for anyone who thought differently is what I saw on that forum, and after a while, it just makes you sick to your stomach, you know? Someone finally asked me, “Why bother? Why take the abuse? If they choose to remain ignorant and come out with attacks instead of debating the issues, why bother?” And you know what? He was right. So right.
Just the failure of Bush’s Social Security privatization scheme alone should be proof enough that people are finally starting to wake up and see what this administration really is — a bunch of crooks and liars.
I don’t need to waste my time reasoning with the wind.